Well I pickedup a few more cameras. One is a canon auto zoom 518. It has no accessories but did come with a case and manual. The other is a Kmart Focal Super 8 Model Macro-800 camera. Came in original box with holdind. No manual or anything else. Just the camera. I paid 4.00 for the canon and 5.00 for the kmart blue light special. There was another one I was looking at but it was gone. :*( so I only picked up two. That makes my camera collection to three. Now I just need to save up a few bucks and purchase film carts to test all three of these. smile